If anyone wishes to download the hearings in a bit higher quality for further processing, they can be found here in 720p: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B6x59Q9rx60odThNYTFMWUd6SjA?usp=sharing
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Taped Broadcast of March 10, 2017 ARC hearing - youtube
by OrphanCrow inthank you to john redwood for making this available so quickly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzqvj0z7_ya.
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ARC Live Streaming site ?
by Gayle inwhat is the exact live streaming site for the arc today in sydney?
i hope someone or more here will be watching and giving info/quips throughout the case.
also, will someone here or elsewhere be able to 'save' a video of this (all or part).
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The hearing starts at 10am in Australia (AEDT), 3pm PST, 6pm EST, 12am CET. It will be streamed on the ARC website: http://childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au (30 minutes before the event a video player will show up on their main page).
You're welcome to join our ExJW Chat to comment on it live - https://chat.wtsarchive.com
And yes, several folks will be recording this, myself included.
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HELP needed from folks in UK, esp. in Scotland!
by WTS Archive intl;dr: if you live either in scotland or in other parts of uk and you don't mind traveling, you might be able to help a fellow ex-jw by being present during a courtcase where she alone has to face more than two dozens of jws who have ruined their business.
please contact me directly for details on when and where the court case will be held (i will know these details in few days probably).
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You have every reason to reserve judgement because while I can assure you I didn't exaggerate or made up anything, I was repeating what I was told. So there is room for error here, though I found this lady very believable with the backstory and all the details she gave me (which I didn't include in the original post because there were just too many).
One thing that I might got wrong though is the newspaper's name. She told me that it's the Telegraph so I assumed the nation-wide one, but later I found out that there is also the Evening Telegraph local newspaper in Dundee. At this point I don't know which is the one that will cover the story, but I suppose it's the local one unfortunately. Still good that this gets some coverage, but not as big as I hoped it to be.
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HELP needed from folks in UK, esp. in Scotland!
by WTS Archive intl;dr: if you live either in scotland or in other parts of uk and you don't mind traveling, you might be able to help a fellow ex-jw by being present during a courtcase where she alone has to face more than two dozens of jws who have ruined their business.
please contact me directly for details on when and where the court case will be held (i will know these details in few days probably).
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Ruby456: The case is already ongoing and we'll see how the judge see's it. In my opinion she has a very strong case against them, but we both can just sit here and discuss, while it will be the judge who decides what happens :).
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HELP needed from folks in UK, esp. in Scotland!
by WTS Archive intl;dr: if you live either in scotland or in other parts of uk and you don't mind traveling, you might be able to help a fellow ex-jw by being present during a courtcase where she alone has to face more than two dozens of jws who have ruined their business.
please contact me directly for details on when and where the court case will be held (i will know these details in few days probably).
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Or has the Society changed the rules re a working environment?
No, at least I am not aware of such changes. They did raise the bar though at this year's conventions with telling people that it's ok to shun even the inactive ones, and even not to answer the phone from your own DF'd daughter. Anyway, this is just a case of individual JWs being overzealous even by their own standards, which is something I observed a lot in last 2-3 years.
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HELP needed from folks in UK, esp. in Scotland!
by WTS Archive intl;dr: if you live either in scotland or in other parts of uk and you don't mind traveling, you might be able to help a fellow ex-jw by being present during a courtcase where she alone has to face more than two dozens of jws who have ruined their business.
please contact me directly for details on when and where the court case will be held (i will know these details in few days probably).
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There's a huge difference between saying "I'd like some more information" and "that is definitely untrue".
To be honest many of comments in this topic were more like the latter than the former.
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HELP needed from folks in UK, esp. in Scotland!
by WTS Archive intl;dr: if you live either in scotland or in other parts of uk and you don't mind traveling, you might be able to help a fellow ex-jw by being present during a courtcase where she alone has to face more than two dozens of jws who have ruined their business.
please contact me directly for details on when and where the court case will be held (i will know these details in few days probably).
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I'm sure the OP doesn't see how strange the story seems hence the replies on here but do not take offence at it.
I see the points that are being made and to be honest, I'm quite surprised. I had many more bizarre experiences like this so those kind of things don't seem strange to me anymore (shocking - yes, but not really surprising), and I would be surprised to know that it's not a "norm" when it comes to JWs you guys were affiliated with. It's like when I hear another child abuse story among JWs, elders even. It still does give me chills, but it doesn't surprise me anymore, because there are so many of stories like that already.
do you know if the case is being held in Dundee courts or Glasgow/Edinburgh? Do you know which date? Is it just one exjw person involved?
Like I've said many times already when I will have a date or place of where the next hearing will take place I will post it. She is the only exjw involved in this, her husband never was a JW and she doesn't know any others in the area, hence my call for helping her out if someone lives nearby.
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HELP needed from folks in UK, esp. in Scotland!
by WTS Archive intl;dr: if you live either in scotland or in other parts of uk and you don't mind traveling, you might be able to help a fellow ex-jw by being present during a courtcase where she alone has to face more than two dozens of jws who have ruined their business.
please contact me directly for details on when and where the court case will be held (i will know these details in few days probably).
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Dundee Clepington congregation has "some meetings" in Polish
And that's the one she was in. It's also probably the reason why there were some Scottish people at the initial dinner, because the congregation is bilingual (or because it's only a Polish speaking group, not a whole Polish-language congregation).
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HELP needed from folks in UK, esp. in Scotland!
by WTS Archive intl;dr: if you live either in scotland or in other parts of uk and you don't mind traveling, you might be able to help a fellow ex-jw by being present during a courtcase where she alone has to face more than two dozens of jws who have ruined their business.
please contact me directly for details on when and where the court case will be held (i will know these details in few days probably).
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How utterly strange that a story that just happened few days ago where this woman was only interviewed yesterday afternoon doesn't have any press coverage yet. Really, that's just unbelievable. /s
I am utterly amazed how quick people are here to dismiss what others write and actually be hostile spitting accusations that one fabricated the story.
Anyway, I'll try to be above that and provide some more details as promised:
The whole thing took place in a Polish congregation in Dundee, Scotland. She really did employ those 29 people, she could afford this because the city gives a grant to the employer which, as I was told, paid the half of the bills. Most of them worked in kitchen, and of course there were shifts. The newspaper that will cover the story is either The Daily Telegraph or Sunday Telegraph (they've apparently didn't decide yesterday which one will take it). This is where I was wrong when I wrote that its a "local" newspaper, because apparently Telegraph is a nation-wide media group. I'm not from UK and don't really know the media there so excuse me for this.
PS. Re: "They all watched it". She told me that they weren't happy she played this video and wanted her to shut it down, but she refused because she was interested into how this will play out to the end and it was her home really, so she could play whatever she want. She didn't expect it will be so damning for the organization, nor did they.
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HELP needed from folks in UK, esp. in Scotland!
by WTS Archive intl;dr: if you live either in scotland or in other parts of uk and you don't mind traveling, you might be able to help a fellow ex-jw by being present during a courtcase where she alone has to face more than two dozens of jws who have ruined their business.
please contact me directly for details on when and where the court case will be held (i will know these details in few days probably).
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She seemed fine with taking advantage of the system
Can you explain to me how she was taking advantage of the system, because I have a hard time comprehending it? She started a business and created new jobs for people, how is that taking advantage of anything? Sure, one could say that it's unfair that she used to employ mostly JWs, but then again, saying that you probably forgot what it means to be a JW. You're brainwashed. You are told that the world is ruled by Satan and the only reliable people are your brothers and sisters. This is Psychomanipulation 101.
She got the benefits of being a JW for many years I presume and then she didn't.
She was a JW only for one year, so she didn't get so many "benefits" from it I presume.
why close the business, why not just hire new staff?
Like I've said, hiring is a process, you cannot do it overnight especially in a business where you have constant turnover, guests coming, etc. You need to provide training for people on different positions. This just cannot happen in 24 hours, and then you still need time to settle stuff with the old crew.